Mods, mods, mods. One of the most challenging problems. Moderators have to be respectful, helpful, kindhearted, and nice people. Most people whom seek moderatorship, only do it for selfishly for higher social status in the community, attention, greed, search for power. So if you had to choose from thousands of strangers, how can you tell the kindhearted helping people, from greedy power seeking people? The bad eggs want mod so bad, they will write heavenly mod apps and write anything they have to write to possibly get mod. While the good eggs will make a truthful app and just give up. We talked about intentions. Now lets talk quality. Mod is for player moderators, or player role model. People who we would want as mods, it's not worth their time to be mods. People who would do it for free, wouldn't do a good enough job as we would want them do to. So filling up the staff roster with good mods is one of the hardest things to do. Most mods will abuse and be buttholes at some point. Right now Yonda's #1 job is to find good mods. He is trying really hard to fill up the mod slots with good mods. I lost hope in mods. I don't think me or Yonda have the ability to find or get good mods. There is an alternative and I want to hear your opinion. A lot of bigger servers are unmoderated. There is no staff. Hackers get automatically and instantly banned on login. The anti advertising technology instantly detects advertisers, and stealthy mutes them. Also spammers get temp muted instantly. All rules are enforced automatically by the server. Basically the server itself does the moderators job extremely well. Better then any mods ever could. However there is a human element in this. Many players love certain servers for their warm and kind staff. They get on the server and just talk to mods all day. I am sure if this became an auto-moderated server, many players would quit. I don't want that to happen. Someone brought up a very important point. I disagree, I can make books, holograms, commands, messages, guides, tutorial islands. That will fully teach a player all the features without having mods there to help people learn the server. We could have helpers that have no perms, but have a helper tag, indicating that they are friendly and advise players and answer their questions.
I think a mix of both us the way to go because mods can't be in all the time so the server ban hackers when the mods can't be on. The thing is mods also help people which the server cant do.
i put no, i think it would eliminate a lot of "OMFG WHY U DENY ME IM SO GOOD OMFG U PICKED THTA RAANDY OMFG" and it would be more fair in general
While the automatic moderation, hacking prevention, and advertisement prevention would be absolutely amazing, I personally (even before becoming a moderator) thoroughly enjoyed engaging in conversation with the other moderators. If you could find a good mod, (which I know is incredibly difficult) that is both professional and fun to play with, and is unpaid, you would be incredibly lucky. If there were a way to implement a system with a 100% accurate anti-advertisement, spam, and hacking, I think that would be absolutely wonderful. If it were possible to have that system as well as mods as a fail-safe I think that would be even more fantastic. Although it does defeat the purpose to have both. I'm really in the middle on this one because of how great it would be to not have hackers as well as how great it already is to have fun-loving staff members that do their job correctly to talk to. I know I'm a mod so you can take this as a biased opinion, but honestly the amount of people that come on and talk to the mods just to talk to the mods while playing for the social experience outweighs the people that would quit because of hacking, advertising, and spamming. I won't cast a vote because I am a moderator, and biased votes are never fair votes. That's my view on this, if i get replaced by a plugin I won't complain at all due to the plugin being infinitely more effective at my job than me, but I will certainly miss the people I have had the chance to get to socialize with and meet because of having moderators present on the server.
Well, I'd really love to see less hackers on skywars, and an auto mod could really help that, but I love that there's player mods as well. It's a tough choice for me. But instead of choosing between them, can't player moderators and automatic moderators coexist? That's what I'd like to see more than just eradicating all the player mods if an auto mod system is chosen. *Edited* Oops FireAnAntMan already said this Sorry I stole what you said but I didn't read all of the comments.
SG and Factions need auto-mods desperately, and a lot of people can agree with me on that. All other servers are fine with friendly staff
like jonny said Factions and Sg are the most important one for example the bot could ban everyone on factions who make a ddos threat but the other servers are fine with human and we all know, the world will soon be taken over by machines and I still want to have fun by catching hackers.
Since SG is unmoderated anyway, why don't you test this on there? Nothing to lose really. But I've asked before, why not have both?
well if the system bans every hacker/spammer/advertisers straigtaway Mods are only here to talk and play.
I just can't see how it would be 100% fool proof. Like how could you break up a fight which is uncomfortable to be around as another player?
AutoMod is a cool idea, but good moderators will do their job and are nice to chat to. So I think, as many people have said, to do Auto 50% when no mods are on and when moderators are on they will do they're job. Also another suggestion is adding more moderators, like a few other servers have at least 50 mods but they have a bigger capacity. Also, Mods should only get two chances. Abuse Abuse, slap bang, demoted replacement.
There is ups and downs for both sides of this. One reason that this will help is it would be good to stop players that want mod for the power and that just want to abuse with it. Another good reason is the server will technicaly be moderated 24/7 which is deffinetly what SquadCraft needs. A bad thing is players wont be able to ask staff for help if they have an issue. I really don't know if it would be bennifital to the server for this to happen.
The auto modding feature would help a lot with the hackers and ddos threats that people constantly give out, but how much so and for how long? Don't get me wrong, the idea is sound, but a lot of stuff could potentially happen. What if someone figures out the code of the system (I.e. messes around with it on their own server, if they have one and get it, or just uses the Internet to find out) and then hacks it to make it not recognize a certain hack, or specific words? What if it glitches and starts banning random players? This is why we need a human element in the over watching sort of position, because we have the ability to distinguish if it's actually needed or not, and to determine circumstance and unique scenarios that do happen, especially on squad. Personally, I voted for no, because one of my favourite things to do on squad, on any part of it, is to talk to a mod, ask them how they're going, and what they're up to, besides doing what they applied for. Being on the server for a while now, I can with 100% certainty say that speaking with the mods is something I have always done, right up to this day, when I was talking with Katniverse and unConspired on the Factions server. Keep in mind that this is just my opinion, but I believe that a lot of people love having the mods around, and it would be a shame to see them go for some coding. Just quickly, you say that finding good mods is one of the hardest parts of yours and Yondas jobs. If I may suggest, why not ask the community for help? Just by looking on forums, you can easily see that Squad has a great, interactive and honest community that would most likely only be too willing to help out. This could potentially save a lot of time, maybe by setting up a section for mod recommendations maybe, and then making polls for people with the most recommendations. But that's just my idea. So, that's my thoughts on this thread. Apologies for the length of this post, I got a bit carried away.
I agree! When replacing human moderators for some coding there is bound to be a downside somewhere. Moderators do so much for the community such as 1 on 1 conversations about certain issues & topics and enforce server rules directly while also being able to recognise flaws in players chat. This includes adding characters such as brackets, commas, exclamation marks etc. to swear, be rude and to genuinely bypass the auto correction of banned words. In some cases auto-moderation of servers may be excellent and works a charm but not for a community based server which has high interaction among their players. I could write a bit more on the topic but there is a chance it will be said somewhere along the line. Since this is a topic that we don't have to defend as such, detail may lack in anyone's or my own reasoning.
I know people have asked about this before, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany times, but I think if we brought this auto moderating system into squadcraft, replace mods with the rank helper. this would make sure the server runs extremely well, but also will still provide a kind and friendly environment for players to come on and talk to staff. However, I see flaws, sometimes a plugin has bugs/glitches. Maybe a hacker could get through the system, maybe people could be punished for not doing much wrong? (Slingshot lag in sw etc.) It looks like a great solution, would slow down abuse reports and make the community more wellcoming, however, like everything good, this WILL produce problems, no way to change that. Caught in the middle with this one.
Meh I don't want to seem biased about this because I am mod. Sure there are perks to automodding but for other rules auto mods would be imposible .-. Tp trapping illegal items and so on Plus the fact so many mods are already good helpful players to the community, I personally have started to play skywars more often due to the better community I occasionally go on factions McMMo and KitPvP are the two server other than Skywars that I truly enjoy playing.\ I personally enjoy most of the players here due to the fact they respect the Mods and enjoy talking with them and playing with them. I really enjoy when I am able to help some players with certain parts of the game. And before I was mod (tbh feels like forever ago) I was friends with many mods because I was able to easily talk with them and they enjoyed talking with different players I personally believe Yonda is doing amazing so far with the mods that hes chosen. Yes when you last modded some people you and I argued about it and I really disagreed with some of your decisions, but now that time has passed so many of the mods have proven themselves to you and seeing them so nicely in modchat and I occasionally go on an alt account to spectate what they are doing and how they are handling things. So enough of me blabbing I believe this server should not be auto modded by pluggins
another thing i would like to point out is that mods and yonda do take into account how a player acts ig. For instance if a player is a jag like mine_project_1997 but has a great app he will be insta-denied.
Here we go time to type a paragraph. If this server was auto modded it would make me kind of sad. Moderators are supposed to be the people that you can turn to first for support/advice because they are generally nice people. They can be rude at times but it is a joke and we should move on. I learned that the hard way. As a person who is from old squadcraft, I can admit that before Yonda there was never really a solid team of mods. One time I was being ddos by CheyTacs and they sat there and watched. The new staff is different. They will actually deal with problems as they arise. I would probably stop playing factions if the server became automodded because it would basically ruin the fact that they are people I can trust. They will not ddos/hack/spam etc. I will probably add more to this as I see fit.
The thing with this is, soon the hackers will find a hack client that bypasses this system. I know of at least 2 hack clients which can bypass this system, and allow hackers into the game. Soon enough, all hackers will have this and just make the game not enjoyable because if there is a hack client that bypasses this, there are no mods to ban them. Also, there will be people making there own hack clients and making them bypass this. Also, mods make me enjoy the community better. They are the ones who I can say hello to and have a laugh. Obviously I have this with other players aswell, but nearly every mod I do this with. On the upside, it will be moderated 24/7 which YONDA has stated he wants by modding all these mods. But then again the hack thing. It may be 24/7 but a bypass will make it seem as tho there isn't any mods. You can't trust computer programs to do everyday jobs, it just doesn't work. Soon, will the police be replaced with little laptops on wheels that take pictures of every crime, then get hacked into and used for bad? Ik that is unrealistic but think about it. Ik what you are saying about how youdon't know who's behind the screen, but its a risk worth taking to protect our server. There are ups and downs to this. If I had to go with one I would say no auto-mod, yes to real life mods but why not both? We have the auto mod as a back line sweeper, and player mods taking the front line. Also if the auto mod bans someone, maybe a mod can look into it and see if its faulty. This will make mods more busy but it may be worth it.
I think there needs to be a balance Mods can't be on the server 24/7 and lots of the time when I am online there are no Mods online effectivly defeating there purpose. So when there are no Mods online the server can Moderate automatically I think it will free up alot of time for moderators to be friendly role models and actually talk to players and be more active in the forum
Personal I think it would be good to have an auto mod but u would lose aspects like being able to ask questions. u will find the 30 no's are all mods too btw lol
Not true you dont have to ask mods questions you can ask normal people or make a thread in the fourms
Another long opinion. 1: the upside to all of this is it would get rid of suck ups, and abusive moderators (not that I know any but there will be in the Future I'm sure), everyone would be treated the same and no suck ups that would let moderators do whatever and just go along with it, also when the moderators are not online with some servers ( I've been on even on kitpvp when none are late at night) because hackers do have different timezones also, and this would get rid of that. 2: I honestly see no need for this, in my opinion you should only accept moderators when you know backround of the player / etc. The moderators I know are all heart full people and do there job spot on, and it's also easier to ask a mod 'how do I get a kit, etc then reading a 'book' or something , because that would lead to other questions etc, this is a good and bad idea , personally I would like the mods to stay though.
This is true but sometimes 'normal people' don't answer , like I always do but some just say n00b or something like that, but Some people do so yeah, I still want mods to stay though.
Interesting. I think that and automagic system would be much more effective than moderators are (no offence). But there might be that one hacker who the server doesn't ban, and then what? No system like that is 100% foolproof. There would still need to be a few mods around to ban people like that. But only a few i.e 1 per server.
How will they know in the first place, if the system doesn't 'see' them, for lack of a better word? It will still be humans tracking them down and banning them.
Thats why there is a reports section in the forums but server will require less smelly mods to ban people
Tbh I've already wrote a paragraph but I don't know mods are a great addition to the server and I don't think we should loose them but .
True enough. Although the forum is run by humans... (smelly mods like yum and jasmine) Jk don't hurt me. ;-;
I'm gonna go ahead contradict everyone because I'm weird like that. Pretty much 95% of the 'community' wouldn't care if you replaced all of the mods with plug-ins, and honestly plug-ins would do a better job. #unpopularopinion
Machines cannot compare to humans, yes there are always baad people seeking power, but those are the ones you demote. It may take time and effort, but we've just got to find good people to be moderators. Ex. Yum44 and Evravon30
Look 1. THERES 110 PERCENT NO POSSIBILITY OF REPLACING AN MINECRAFT MODERATOR OR STAFF MEMBER WITH A COMPLETE DUMB LAZY NON-THINKING MACHINE THAT CANT EVEN PROCCESS THE THINKING PROPERLY. Machines wont understand that easy, Its not what you think, Its impossible unless you want randomn messages repeating over and over the same thing.
Machines will never... I say never be able to get around things us humans can, Theres different bugs and many problems. Second of all its mostly just all plugins and scripts mashed up, Humans are more smarter plus, Your losing memory (Squadcraft Doesnt care about that lol)
Rules will always be broken and maybe even sometimes by accident and what do these machines think ? HAHA OMG OMG LOL HACKER BAN BAN BAN
I love how surge picks the greatest mods ever he knows if u are good and he and the mods are the greatest
This is ridiculous beyond belief... There are so many situations where something taken out of context (which will happen if an algorithm decides when to ban/mute) will mean something a lot worse than the player actually intended... I'll take Runescape for example (since its the only other major game I play)... It has thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people online at once, no doubt it is light years bigger than squad, yet RS still has player moderators to calm situations and then send a report of necessary, over 50% of altercations I'd say are ones that are better off solved through conversations with mediators, the mediators being a moderator. For hacking, yes you can have a plugin that automatically bans someone, that works fine... But a plugin to ban people for their behaviour or language is absurd. The only way Yonda can find good mods is by playing the server long enough to know the community, by knowing the community, I don't mean his personal relationship with a person. I mean him knowing a random persons significance with the rest of the community. There are mods that have been sacked unjustly for reasons that only certain people know and not only this, but the mixed signals constantly being given out in the application section would really discourage most of the eligible portion to apply... One minute, very good applicationss are denied, and the next minute random people are made moderators.... So yes you were right, you and Yonda do not have the ABILITY to find good mods, but that doesn't mean there aren't any potentially good mods out there
You've kinda already proven that human mods are better than plugins. You have existing plugins and systems to do auto-moderation tasks (NoCheatPlus, AntiAd, ChatControl, Orebufscator), and yet, they can't compare in performance to even the worst mods, who are now banned.
I think that there should just be a mod application accepted by someone who JUST ACCEPTS and DENIES applcicaitons. If a Mod likes it he/she can forward it to the "Mod Accepter" and then the Mod Accepter can accept/deny it. I feel Mods have to much power by denying apps... anyways. The age limit is not nessasary as a 12 or 13 year old can be way maturer than a 16 year old. And they could have more experience on bigger servers.
Coding plug-ins like this (custom) would take a long time, or if they are already made they probably have some bugs in them as well, just like the auto ban now, it depends on a players combined improbable when people just turn the kill aura down so NCP won't detect it.
Unless Surge hires a fast developer like he has... An unmoderated server would be easy to manage the chat but not so much the hacking as such NCP thinks people are survival flying when being blown up in the air by TnT. Maybe only none chat moderated? You may be like oh we can bypass "pussy" with "puss" but its not hard to add a command to block that.
And how will that stop the problem at that moment, when the perpetrator is making the community suffer?
I'm sorry? I don't understand your question.. Auto moderated chat would solve the issues of when a mod isn't online
How will a code stop someone being a general nuisance, if they're badmouthing without the use of bad language?
There are many things you can do with code.. Such as google is programming a computer to learn & think like a human brain. It nearly pictured a cat
"Wow, look at your game. No wonder your mother killed herself." Oops, your code didn't predict that. "Your parents should be ashamed for not aborting you." Didn't predict that either. "I hope someone slits your dad's throat tonight." Oh, look, something else your code didn't predict. Code cannot predict tone of language. Google can't even do that. Let's not kid ourselves, you are nowhere near that level. You're a hobbyist at best, child. It shows in your work and behavior. I mean, come on. Your blog is the default apache page. Apache? Really? That's like the Visual Basic of web servers. You're adorable.
